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	<title>Comments on: 18 November 2009 – On Monochrome and Gender</title>
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		<title>By: Burchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your posting really stragtihneed me out. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; 22 March 2011 &#8211; Floral and Lace academichic</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; 22 March 2011 &#8211; Floral and Lace academichic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, as S. has pointed out before, pink and ruffles were previously cultural signifiers of masculinity and, as I argued last year, floral prints can and have had different cultural associations , [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course, as S. has pointed out before, pink and ruffles were previously cultural signifiers of masculinity and, as I argued last year, floral prints can and have had different cultural associations , [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Revanche</title>
		<link>http://www.academichic.com/2009/11/18/18-november-2009/#comment-8139</link>
		<dc:creator>Revanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, I absolutely love the discussion here, but the thing that leapt out at me was: did you mean virile masculinity at the end there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, I absolutely love the discussion here, but the thing that leapt out at me was: did you mean virile masculinity at the end there?</p>
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		<title>By: gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the monochrome. The greens look good against the black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the monochrome. The greens look good against the black.</p>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S., you are truly gifted at clarifying what some of us know deep inside but have trouble articulating (ie the problem with marketing clothing as &quot;boyfriend&quot; style)... and I appreciate that!

A slightly different gender-based clothing topic that I&#039;d like to point out is the lack of true diversity of styles made for women (and men too). My girlfriend wears strictly men&#039;s (and boy&#039;s) clothing because that is the style she prefers and feels like herself in. Unfortunately finding clothes that fit a woman well, but are designed strictly for men&#039;s bodies is a frustrating process as men&#039;s clothes do not account for breasts, hips and thighs or shorter stature! 

It seems like some options for menswear is becoming (dare I use the word?) more &quot;metrosexual&quot; (therefore more feminine?), but I don&#039;t see the same shift in female clothing. Almost all of it is designed exclusively for &quot;feminine&quot; identifying women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S., you are truly gifted at clarifying what some of us know deep inside but have trouble articulating (ie the problem with marketing clothing as &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; style)&#8230; and I appreciate that!</p>
<p>A slightly different gender-based clothing topic that I&#8217;d like to point out is the lack of true diversity of styles made for women (and men too). My girlfriend wears strictly men&#8217;s (and boy&#8217;s) clothing because that is the style she prefers and feels like herself in. Unfortunately finding clothes that fit a woman well, but are designed strictly for men&#8217;s bodies is a frustrating process as men&#8217;s clothes do not account for breasts, hips and thighs or shorter stature! </p>
<p>It seems like some options for menswear is becoming (dare I use the word?) more &#8220;metrosexual&#8221; (therefore more feminine?), but I don&#8217;t see the same shift in female clothing. Almost all of it is designed exclusively for &#8220;feminine&#8221; identifying women.</p>
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		<title>By: huzzahvintage</title>
		<link>http://www.academichic.com/2009/11/18/18-november-2009/#comment-7847</link>
		<dc:creator>huzzahvintage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was stopping in to essentially say what Cosmo has already so elegantly noted.

It would be interesting to dig up the genealogy of the term &#039;boyfriend&#039; as a descriptor of cardigans and jeans of a certain style. In the 1980s and 1990s generous proportions were, if memory serves me, described as &#039;slouchy,&#039; &#039;baggy&#039; and/or &#039;oversized.&#039; These terms, however, do not connote the sophistication that is supposed to attach to high-end retail establishments like BR, Anthro. and JCrew (all of which are guilty of using the voguish term). Given the heteronormativity that permeates these companies, it&#039;s no surprise &#039;boyfriend&#039; is preferred to the alternatives.

I think another interesting, related consideration is the continued desire to feel &#039;small&#039; in one&#039;s clothes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was stopping in to essentially say what Cosmo has already so elegantly noted.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to dig up the genealogy of the term &#8216;boyfriend&#8217; as a descriptor of cardigans and jeans of a certain style. In the 1980s and 1990s generous proportions were, if memory serves me, described as &#8216;slouchy,&#8217; &#8216;baggy&#8217; and/or &#8216;oversized.&#8217; These terms, however, do not connote the sophistication that is supposed to attach to high-end retail establishments like BR, Anthro. and JCrew (all of which are guilty of using the voguish term). Given the heteronormativity that permeates these companies, it&#8217;s no surprise &#8216;boyfriend&#8217; is preferred to the alternatives.</p>
<p>I think another interesting, related consideration is the continued desire to feel &#8216;small&#8217; in one&#8217;s clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cosmo - I think I follow your point about marketing and generalizations. But my problem is that by catering to a heterosexual majority, you&#039;re enforcing the idea that there is only one kind of sexuality. There are many kinds of people out there and while marketing aims to strategically address what it considers a majority, its language is harmful in that it only addressed and represents one very narrow identity. People then see this and internalize it as a sort of &quot;truth&quot; about their neighbors and so it perpetuates an idea over and over. 

S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmo &#8211; I think I follow your point about marketing and generalizations. But my problem is that by catering to a heterosexual majority, you&#8217;re enforcing the idea that there is only one kind of sexuality. There are many kinds of people out there and while marketing aims to strategically address what it considers a majority, its language is harmful in that it only addressed and represents one very narrow identity. People then see this and internalize it as a sort of &#8220;truth&#8221; about their neighbors and so it perpetuates an idea over and over. </p>
<p>S.</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmo</title>
		<link>http://www.academichic.com/2009/11/18/18-november-2009/#comment-7844</link>
		<dc:creator>Cosmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@S - I can totally see how that imagery could be excluding. Marketing always has a target market and not everyone can be the target. Cars for example are driven by men and women but almost always marketed to men. Even though the imagery intended is of slipping on your boyfriends clothes I think that the actual look and fit of the garment extend beyond the name. I don&#039;t think that the garments actually look like clothes most men would choose. I think that they are very androgynous as far as modern garments go. A man can wear boyfriend jeans and the fit and design would not be anything worth noting. Also women who like women dressed in loose fitting boxy clothes can enjoy the look. Left out are women who like women in form fitting clothes and women who like themselves in form fitting clothes and women who like men but can&#039;t understand why a man would like a woman dressed as a man. Language is very limiting. Descriptions are never really entirely encompassing of the essence of the thing. Once you put words to it it changes.

I don&#039;t know if humans would be able to function without generalities. I always read that people need generalities to be able to predict outcomes of situations for survival. Marketing uses those basic generalities to sell things. I think that most of the people that most people know are heterosexual. As I understand it the majority of people are more towards the heterosexual end of the scale than the homosexual. So in general people would be less likely to offend someone by assuming there was a person of the opposite sex than assuming they are the same in the relationship. 

I personally think that people are best served not to make assumptions like that and go with &quot;they are wearing that because they like it&quot;. I used to get upset when I had short hair and people assumed I was a lesbian and asked me about my girlfriend and were surprised to see me with my hubby. Hair length is a weird thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@S &#8211; I can totally see how that imagery could be excluding. Marketing always has a target market and not everyone can be the target. Cars for example are driven by men and women but almost always marketed to men. Even though the imagery intended is of slipping on your boyfriends clothes I think that the actual look and fit of the garment extend beyond the name. I don&#8217;t think that the garments actually look like clothes most men would choose. I think that they are very androgynous as far as modern garments go. A man can wear boyfriend jeans and the fit and design would not be anything worth noting. Also women who like women dressed in loose fitting boxy clothes can enjoy the look. Left out are women who like women in form fitting clothes and women who like themselves in form fitting clothes and women who like men but can&#8217;t understand why a man would like a woman dressed as a man. Language is very limiting. Descriptions are never really entirely encompassing of the essence of the thing. Once you put words to it it changes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if humans would be able to function without generalities. I always read that people need generalities to be able to predict outcomes of situations for survival. Marketing uses those basic generalities to sell things. I think that most of the people that most people know are heterosexual. As I understand it the majority of people are more towards the heterosexual end of the scale than the homosexual. So in general people would be less likely to offend someone by assuming there was a person of the opposite sex than assuming they are the same in the relationship. </p>
<p>I personally think that people are best served not to make assumptions like that and go with &#8220;they are wearing that because they like it&#8221;. I used to get upset when I had short hair and people assumed I was a lesbian and asked me about my girlfriend and were surprised to see me with my hubby. Hair length is a weird thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love monochromatic outfits! I like that yours have a little color in them. I really like your short sleeve turtle neck too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love monochromatic outfits! I like that yours have a little color in them. I really like your short sleeve turtle neck too.</p>
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		<title>By: healthy &#38; homemade</title>
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		<dc:creator>healthy &#38; homemade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you look so awesome! I love that skirt. The whole outfit looks so great on you =) Very pretty!

Second, I agree (mostly) about the socially constructed limits of certain clothing garments. The names that are given to jeans for girls are usually ridiculous, I know my husband would never buy a pair of pants that were called &quot;the flirt,&quot; or whatever else. In terms of sweaters like &quot;The Boyfriend Cardigan,&quot; I get where they&#039;re going with that. It&#039;s called that because of the size/cut/shape. Men don&#039;t (usually) have curves, so their clothes are cut very straight. Usually larger too, because most men do have longer arms/broader shoulders, etc.

It&#039;s not to say manufacturers think all women are straight, and necessarily want to wear their mans clothing. I think it&#039;s named that solely on fit alone, so perhaps by &quot;boyfriend&quot; they mean male friend? Doubt it, but who knows. However, you cant make assumptions on size or clothing preferences based on sex.

I don&#039;t know where I was going with all that, just that the fashion world is crazy sometimes. With that said, what the heck is up with women&#039;s sizing? Men&#039;s goes by waist size, while women&#039;s goes by some ridiculous chart that different designers apparently just made up at random. I don&#039;t like it one bit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you look so awesome! I love that skirt. The whole outfit looks so great on you =) Very pretty!</p>
<p>Second, I agree (mostly) about the socially constructed limits of certain clothing garments. The names that are given to jeans for girls are usually ridiculous, I know my husband would never buy a pair of pants that were called &#8220;the flirt,&#8221; or whatever else. In terms of sweaters like &#8220;The Boyfriend Cardigan,&#8221; I get where they&#8217;re going with that. It&#8217;s called that because of the size/cut/shape. Men don&#8217;t (usually) have curves, so their clothes are cut very straight. Usually larger too, because most men do have longer arms/broader shoulders, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not to say manufacturers think all women are straight, and necessarily want to wear their mans clothing. I think it&#8217;s named that solely on fit alone, so perhaps by &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; they mean male friend? Doubt it, but who knows. However, you cant make assumptions on size or clothing preferences based on sex.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where I was going with all that, just that the fashion world is crazy sometimes. With that said, what the heck is up with women&#8217;s sizing? Men&#8217;s goes by waist size, while women&#8217;s goes by some ridiculous chart that different designers apparently just made up at random. I don&#8217;t like it one bit!</p>
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